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Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 05:37:00 - [1] But world of darkness is going to be soooo awesum!!!
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 05:56:00 - [2] Originally by: Valentina Valentia not sure what World of Darkness is... World of darkness is ccp's upcoming emo vampire mmo that is literally sucking the life out of eve development resources. This is a stated fact from ccp itself in its 18 month initiative revelation that stated incarna was taking up too many eve resources and eves core gameplay development had to take a back seat to avatar development. So wonder why all of a sudden eve development focused on an avatar technology that has absolutely nothing to do with any gameplay mechanic in the game but is 100% transferable to its new mmo? Suckers..
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 06:57:00 - [3] Originally by: Sullen Skoung Originally by: Tokyo Rose Originally by: Valentina Valentia not sure what World of Darkness is... World of darkness is ccp's upcoming emo vampire mmo that is literally sucking the life out of eve development resources. I believe that had to have been a troll question... unless the poster is unaware of google an if so, welcome to the internets The real troll is ccp using eves development funds to make a completely different game. Remember that incarna test vid from quite a while back? The one that had more vampire style clothes than the current eve incarna release has eve themed clothes?
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 12:47:00 - [4] Originally by: Thornat Originally by: Tokyo Rose But world of darkness is going to be soooo awesum!!! Well this is just rumor, but I have a few sources in the gaming industry and I can tell you that the word on the street right now is that World of Darkness is most likely going to get canceled. So don't get your hopes up is all I'm saying. Now that would be the ultimate lulz of this whole development failcascade. CCP decides to switch eve development focus to an avatar technology at the expense of eves core gameplay development to kill two development birds with one money grab and they both fail. Oh my..
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 15:25:00 - [5] Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Originally by: Tokyo Rose Originally by: Valentina Valentia not sure what World of Darkness is... World of darkness is ccp's upcoming emo vampire mmo that is literally sucking the life out of eve development resources. This is a stated fact from ccp itself in its 18 month initiative revelation that stated incarna was taking up too many eve resources and eves core gameplay development had to take a back seat to avatar development. So wonder why all of a sudden eve development focused on an avatar technology that has absolutely nothing to do with any gameplay mechanic in the game but is 100% transferable to its new mmo? Suckers.. Actually, I'm pretty sure Dust 514 is consuming a majority of CCP's resources. World of Darkness is still in pre-production, as far as I know. God forbid that a game company works on other projects. But at the expense of the main project? You guys are so blind its almost amusing if it wasn't dragging eve down into the gutter.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 15:30:00 - [6] Originally by: Meryl SinGarda Yeah, I mean, look at what happened to ID when they went and made Quake instead of the next Doom >:( So what you are saying is that you are cool with the fact eve has been put on the back burner indefinitely so ccp can make other projects that have little or nothing to do with eve? And dust has little to do with eve past being based in the same universe and an as yet undefined connection to sov that will most likely be as unobtrusive as possible. Oh boy.. How far the players have fallen.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 16:00:00 - [7] Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Originally by: Tokyo Rose Originally by: Meryl SinGarda Yeah, I mean, look at what happened to ID when they went and made Quake instead of the next Doom >:( So what you are saying is that you are cool with the fact eve has been put on the back burner indefinitely so ccp can make other projects that have little or nothing to do with eve? And dust has little to do with eve past being based in the same universe and an as yet undefined connection to sov that will most likely be as unobtrusive as possible. Oh boy.. How far the players have fallen. You do realize how small CCP is compared to some other studios, right? The fact that something has to be on the back burner while they tackle other projects is completely unsurprising. So you are totally cool that ccp decided that even though being a small company with limited resources they dumped eve development for other projects? Well please forgive me if I don't agree. I want to play a fully developed eve and not a vampire game or yet another console shooter in a market saturated with console shooters.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 16:12:00 - [8] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: baltec1 The loss of my sigs is a bitter blow On the other hand, they never got the hang of the setting that turns sigs offà àwait, that was supposed to be something positive to weigh up the negatives. Hmmà Heh, at a stroke every sig that criticized ccp actions is wiped away.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 16:22:00 - [9] Ah, I thought all sigs were being taken out. Text is ok then but yeah no images are a total downer.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 16:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Originally by: Tokyo Rose So you are totally cool that ccp decided that even though being a small company with limited resources they dumped eve development for other projects? Well please forgive me if I don't agree. I want to play a fully developed eve and not a vampire game or yet another console shooter in a market saturated with console shooters. EVE development hasn't been dumped. As limited as resources may be, CCP still has a team working on EVE. It's a sign that CCP is in no position to abandon their main project anytime soon. Once Dust 514 has been rolled out, I'm sure more resources will be re-allocated to EVE's development. You people act as if you're entitled to everything you ask for, and yet the only thing CCP asks from its players is a subscription fee, which can be circumvented completely if the player desires. Despite whatever misgivings you may have about EVE's current state, it's still the best persistent MMO available. If you don't like it, the door is always open for you to leave. No one cares. Name one feature that has been finished to completion. Just one! The only current active development in eve is the avatar technology that is just a front for world of darkness develpoment. Avatar technology has no gameplay influance in eve and is totally eye candy and optional.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 16:43:00 - [11] Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Originally by: Tokyo Rose Name one feature that has been finished to completion. Just one! The only current active development in eve is the avatar technology that is just a front for world of darkness develpoment. Avatar technology has no gameplay influance in eve and is totally eye candy and optional. Considering how malleable MMO development is, can you really say that any feature can be complete, no matter how much effort goes into its development? Consider how long EVE has been running. I think it's obvious that its development is a constantly ongoing process. That said, however, I don't think anyone would be playing EVE if it didn't feel whole in some way. I certainly wouldn't be, anyway. As far as the Incarna features go. Sure, they're fairly useless in their current state, but who's to say that it's always going to be like that? CCP has been wanting these features in EVE for a very long time, so acting as though Incarna is a complete front for World of Darkness is ridiculous. So what if they use Carbon in WoD? Do you hold the same argument for other developers when they use their own technology in other games? Thats a lot of spin you are tossing out there mate. Be careful you don't get dizzy and fall flat on your face. So instead of useless damage control why don't you answer the question? Name one feature that has ever been introduced that is more than just a bare framework with endless promises of being fleshed out at a future date. I dare you.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 16:48:00 - [12] Originally by: Evil Afoot Useless in what regard? You said you have them disabled which is "your" choice. You have that choice at present soon you will not. Don't bother arguing with a ccp alt/blind fanboi. Not unless you like taking a spin on the damage control carousel.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 16:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Originally by: Tokyo Rose Thats a lot of spin you are tossing out there mate. Be careful you don't get dizzy and fall flat on your face. So instead of useless damage control why don't you answer the question? Name one feature that has ever been introduced that is more than just a bare framework with endless promises of being fleshed out at a future date. I dare you. Honestly, I'm not qualified to answer your question, because I haven't been playing EVE long enough to really say. I just started playing this year. Regardless of whatever unfinished business there is, it's still the best persistent MMO available. You can't deny that. And... damage control? Not really. That's just how development goes. Something can always be improved in some way. If yo ujust started playing this year then you can be forgiven. Stick around a bit and you will see that ccp has built a fabulous ivory tower that is very very pretty from the outside and the first few rooms look quite grand. But once you start exploring around you will soon figure out its a mostly empty tower. This is ccp's great gamble. That the new subs will be wowed with the limited unfinished content and keep paying them. But as a 7 year bitter vet I can tell you right now that ccp promises the world but only delivers a couple of acres of rocky land.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 17:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Originally by: Tokyo Rose If you just started playing this year then you can be forgiven. Stick around a bit and you will see that ccp has built a fabulous ivory tower that is very very pretty from the outside and the first few rooms look quite grand. But once you start exploring around you will soon figure out its a mostly empty tower. Please elaborate on this. Every expansion has added new content that has always been the barest of frameworks. now for a new player with only a year into the game the eve universe can seem like and endless bounty of awesomeness. But the thing is that the skill system and the gameplay mechanics force you into a years long advancement into the top content. You have not been playing nearly long enough to reach the dead ends that every single new feature has. So like I said you can be forgiven because you are new and are still skilling up for the most basic of professions. This is not your fault and I can see you having at least another couple of years of fun before you wake up one day to log in and realise that nothing in this game is in a finished state. This is ccp's great gamble. That they can continue to keep drawing in new subs to fund the other projects at the expense of eves core gameplay. You too will become a bitter vet and look back on this thread and hang your head in shame.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 17:33:00 - [15] Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Originally by: Tokyo Rose Every expansion has added new content that has always been the barest of frameworks. now for a new player with only a year into the game the eve universe can seem like and endless bounty of awesomeness. But the thing is that the skill system and the gameplay mechanics force you into a years long advancement into the top content. You have not been playing nearly long enough to reach the dead ends that every single new feature has. So like I said you can be forgiven because you are new and are still skilling up for the most basic of professions. This is not your fault and I can see you having at least another couple of years of fun before you wake up one day to log in and realise that nothing in this game is in a finished state. This is ccp's great gamble. That they can continue to keep drawing in new subs to fund the other projects at the expense of eves core gameplay. You too will become a bitter vet and look back on this thread and hang your head in shame. Well, is EVE at least fun to you in some way? I mean, there's a reason you still play it, right? I know that, if the game ever stopped being fun for me, I would definitely drop it cold turkey, as there's no point in putting time into something you don't enjoy. There are plenty of other games to play, after all. I haven't actively played eve for over a year. I have tens and tens of billions of isk from my 7 years of playing eve. So its no issue to me to resub off a plex bought with isk to come here and keep up the good fight for the greater good of eve. Like I said there is more than enough content to last you for a couple of years if you diversify your activities but sooooo much of eve is unfinished. You will not see this for a while so its understandable that you are defending the game so vehemently. Tbh we need players like you if us bitter vets ever want eve to be finished so we can come back and enjoy ourselves again. But please do not belittle us because ccp decided that short term profits to fund projects outside of eve has us in a fury. As far as other games of course I have jumped ships. I currently play world of tanks with a rather large portion of the nullsec playerbase who got tired of ccp's endless promises. Now don't be angry at me for this as its natural for a person to bail from something unfun to something that is fun.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 18:55:00 - [16] Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 05/09/2011 18:49:59 Originally by: Cozmik R5 World of Darkness WAS awesome... when Bloodline came out. And then sparkles happened. Yeah, but let's not confuse Twilight, which is garbage, with *World of Darkness, which is awesome*. Vampires still can be cool so long as people do cool things with them. But ccp is overseeing the development of world of darkness. Expect the same endless promises with wod as with eve. As in 'blood dolls are coming in the next patch!' Then 'well due to issues with profitibility we cannot give you blood dolls because we will lose market share in nearly every moral country in the world! Sorry!' Seriously if you think ccp is going to magicaly change its tune on development of its new cash cow then I have some ocean front property in new mexico to sell you..
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 19:34:00 - [17] Originally by: Ranger 1 Lets hear more from the ignorant and uninformed. I gleefully await your next post in that case. Originally by: Ranger 1 Pot, meet kettle. It's apparent that you are correct about one thing, you've been out of the loop for a very long time, but you don't let that stop you from talking out of your ass. 1: Every game company uses their assets from ongoing projects to fund new projects. 2: Companies that don't will die, and their games along with them. 3: Development of a graphics engine that will enrich both games is a smart move, which is probably not obvious to people who don't understand that said development must be done incrementally. Those would be the same people that look at the initial framework for Incarna and can't understand that there is more to come. 4: MMO's, by necessity, never stop developing and iterating on content. If a feature were ever "complete", that would be the first step in the long slide into oblivion. 5: People with your business acumen and level of experience in developing online games are ideally suited to a future in fast food management. 1. But not every compnay is financialy sound enough to embark on multiple projects. 2. Patently false. Companies that bail from one game to another to keep the status quo are the ones that tend to die in a fire. 3. Yes of course. 'more to come' This has been a standard of eve development for nearly a decade. Hey guys look at this shiney new content and resub! Now don't be alarmed that said new content is actually just a bare framework with little actual content but hey we promise to flesh it out in time. Really! No! Really we promise!!!!! 4. Even world of warcraft when it introduces new content make sure its feature complete. You never get a new class with only a fraction of its content on launch day. Ever. 5. Lol. Well its a known fact that even the cheesiest fast food franchise makes tons more profit than ccp. Besides I can't remember the last time I ordered fast food and only got one of the items orders with a promise of the rest of the meal being delivered at a later date.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 19:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Ranger 1 With each statement you make all you succeed in doing is proving my points. All it takes is for someone to check the validity of each point you made, which is easily done. Just because you say a thing is so, does not make it so. Check your facts, then come back to us. Oh really? [citation needed] So link some proof or stfu.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 20:03:00 - [19] Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 05/09/2011 19:56:51 Originally by: Tokyo Rose Originally by: Ranger 1 With each statement you make all you succeed in doing is proving my points. All it takes is for someone to check the validity of each point you made, which is easily done. Just because you say a thing is so, does not make it so. Check your facts, then come back to us. Oh really? [citation needed] So link some proof or stfu. You're the one specializing in spewing your version of reality, the burden of proof is on you. I invite anyone to check for themselves, including yourself. If you are so certain of your stance then please provide said proof. You are the one disputing things so the burden of proof is always laid at the accusers feet. But if you want to waffle then I understand and won't hold it against you.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 20:23:00 - [20] Originally by: Ranger 1 I underlined the important bit. You've made a lot of claims with nothing to back it up. The only thing you've done is proven talk is cheap and try to shift the burden of proof, and the focus, away from yourself. Until you can back up your claims, stop embarrassing yourself. Your not very good at this are you? Take another shot mate.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 20:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: baltec1 Shh, I want to see which one runs out of steam first Ohsià sorry. I'll see if I can find some ponies to paste in instead. This should be appropriate.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 20:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: baltec1 Shh, I want to see which one runs out of steam first Ohsià sorry. I'll see if I can find some ponies to paste in instead. This pleases me I'll admit it, it would be a distinct improvement. All the other "NO YOU" crap aside, your original statement boiled down to "CCP is making an poor decision in using EVE funds to develop other games" (to put it in polite terms) and inferring that "successful companies would never do this". Since this bold statement started the debate, I'm asking for you to prove it. See, I can be polite... sometimes.... So you are saying that the continued back burner treatment of eve to make other games is ok with you? Hello ccp alt.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 21:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Ranger 1 Quote: Hello ccp alt. Ahh, the ccp alt accusation. The true indicator that someone just lost the debate. Yes, I fully expect CCP to use their income to develop other products and split development time between them. Especially if that development time is used to develop code that will ultimately benefit EVE as well as their other offerings. We are still waiting for you to substantiate your claim. I'm still wondering why you are ok with ccp funneling money into projects that have zero impact on eve core gameplay development. Sure ccp can do what they want with the money they get but it doesn't make it the right thing to do from an eve players perspective. It goes to reason that if you are ok with ccp not using eves income to improve eve and instead using it to make even more eventual profits at the expense of its main game then you must be a ccp alt or an idiot. Nothing else makes sense.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 21:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Ranger 1 And we are still waiting for your proof that this is a poor business move. So you are saying that because ccp wants to fatten their wallets its just fine and dandy to sacrifice your daily gameplay to some future date so the top ccp dogs can get a second summer home and a lambo in the driveway. This is what is happening. CCP didn't need to fund addtional projects to make bank. But like every other modern company they decided to bilk the subscribers and use them to fund even moar profits? Are you getting a cut? If not then oh wow you are the biggest tool in ccp's box.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 21:41:00 - [25] Originally by: Cipher Jones I profit (just about) every time I log into the server, because I enjoy playing EvE online. Fake money != profit. Unless you are admitting to botting to sell farmed isk for rl money.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.09.05 21:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Izziee Quote: The real troll is ccp using eves development funds to make a completely different game. Remember that incarna test vid from quite a while back? The one that had more vampire style clothes than the current eve incarna release has eve themed clothes? Excuse me, what? Do you work? Are you old enough yet? When you get paid from work, and your boss tells you what to spend your money on, will you listen? We pay CCP their wages, why? because we pay for a game they made, it is THEIR money to spend it how they see fit. If they want to spend it on another game, they can do just that. Sure, they could put it into eve, a very old MMO game, or they could put it into a newer game and hope for a bigger fan base with that. Whatever the choice, it's theirs. So you are saying that you are totally ok that ccp is not giving you the best eve experience it can because it wants to fatten their wallets off additional games that have little or nothing to do with eve? CCP alt/blind fanboi detected.

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